Saturday, November 28, 2009
Clarification - Floyd Brown is a [REALLY BIG] D**chebag
Per the comment section of the post below, Mr. Floyd Brown has asked for a retraction:
Here are the facts - Mr. Brown did not finance the Willie Horton campaign against former Governor Dukakis. He produced it, a fact that he is still obviously very proud of.From one of his own web sites:
Brown is also a key figure in suggesting that the tragic suicide of White House Counsel, Vince Foster, was tied to the Whitewater psuedo-scandal, and left open the possibility that it was not a suicide at all.
So the clarification is that Floyd Brown only suggested in a very high profile way that people connected to fake Bill Clinton scandals mysteriously killed themselves. Personally, I think that is lower than simply accusing Clinton of murder. At least Jerry Falwell had the balls to do that, but I digress.....
Brown's hatchet work is also tied to such lies about Bill Clinton as the Mena, AR drug scandal as well as lobbying for Clinton's impeachment over fake scandals long before the world had ever heard of Monica Lewinsky.
Brown was instrumental in the campaign to replace Robert Fiske as Independent Counsel with the notorious Ken Starr because Fiske did not find any wrong doing on Clinton's part during his investigation. It should be pointed out that Starr never found anything about Whitewater or Foster, either, after several years and approximately $80 million. (Although Starr did turn into a heck of a Porn writer with the Starr Report. I bet he could make more money doing that than being the Dean of Pepperdine's Law School.)
There is plenty more scuminess and douchebaggery in Brown's past. Drop me a note if you want a few good books on the subject.
Now that a Democrat is back in the White House, Brown appears to be in classic form. He is a principal in the web site http://www.exposeobama.com/ where he is calling for Obama's impeachment. The web site is part of the National Campaign Fund, a PAC that raised and spent around $1.5 million to influence last year's Presidential Election.
According to NPR, last year Brown teamed up with the equally noxious Jerome Corsi to try and help spread Corsi's fantastical stories about Obama's place of birth and reported Muslim upbringing.
Sadly for Mr. Brown's ego, and perhaps his checkbook, he has yet to regain the traction and notoriety that he achieved with Willie Horton and "Slick Willie." It has been suggested that even today's far right GOP thinks Brown is radioactive.
(And in another on of my Forrest Gump moments, I used to live only a couple miles from Floyd and I am pretty sure that I used to feed Mr. Brown on a regular basis when he would hold Young America events at The Tacoma Country and Golf Club where I was sous chef before moving east. Odd coincidences never end.)
In closing, let me ask the question - Does a guy like Floyd Brown deserve shot at media redemption when he obviously has no regrets (unlike the late Lee Atwater) regarding his disgraceful past?*
*[edited to clarify my point about whether respectable newspapers should run columns by people like Brown.] ¶ 9:44 PM
You tread on thin ice. Unless you have proof for this blog posting you may be sued for defamation and slander. Your posting is factually wrong and highly inflammatory, Retract and apologize or I may take action against you. -Floyd BrownOK, the fact was that I saw Mr. Brown's name in my small town's newspaper and pulled some 15 - 20 year old info from my head rather than research it carefully.
Here are the facts - Mr. Brown did not finance the Willie Horton campaign against former Governor Dukakis. He produced it, a fact that he is still obviously very proud of.From one of his own web sites:
Media campaigns organized by Brown have been studied for their effectiveness. These campaigns include the 1988 campaign of Americans for Bush during which he produced the “Willie Horton ad” and the TV campaign in support of the nomination of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.Also, my comments about "Clinton murder fairytales" should have been much more precise in that Mr. Brown has suggestively implied that one of Clinton's former law students, Susann Coleman, committed suicide while allegedly carrying Clinton's baby. Brown and his associates reportedly harassed the family of the dead woman to the point where the woman's sister started taping the conversations and then provided them to Clinton Campaign and the media.
Brown is also a key figure in suggesting that the tragic suicide of White House Counsel, Vince Foster, was tied to the Whitewater psuedo-scandal, and left open the possibility that it was not a suicide at all.
So the clarification is that Floyd Brown only suggested in a very high profile way that people connected to fake Bill Clinton scandals mysteriously killed themselves. Personally, I think that is lower than simply accusing Clinton of murder. At least Jerry Falwell had the balls to do that, but I digress.....
Brown's hatchet work is also tied to such lies about Bill Clinton as the Mena, AR drug scandal as well as lobbying for Clinton's impeachment over fake scandals long before the world had ever heard of Monica Lewinsky.
Brown was instrumental in the campaign to replace Robert Fiske as Independent Counsel with the notorious Ken Starr because Fiske did not find any wrong doing on Clinton's part during his investigation. It should be pointed out that Starr never found anything about Whitewater or Foster, either, after several years and approximately $80 million. (Although Starr did turn into a heck of a Porn writer with the Starr Report. I bet he could make more money doing that than being the Dean of Pepperdine's Law School.)
There is plenty more scuminess and douchebaggery in Brown's past. Drop me a note if you want a few good books on the subject.
Now that a Democrat is back in the White House, Brown appears to be in classic form. He is a principal in the web site http://www.exposeobama.com/ where he is calling for Obama's impeachment. The web site is part of the National Campaign Fund, a PAC that raised and spent around $1.5 million to influence last year's Presidential Election.
According to NPR, last year Brown teamed up with the equally noxious Jerome Corsi to try and help spread Corsi's fantastical stories about Obama's place of birth and reported Muslim upbringing.
Sadly for Mr. Brown's ego, and perhaps his checkbook, he has yet to regain the traction and notoriety that he achieved with Willie Horton and "Slick Willie." It has been suggested that even today's far right GOP thinks Brown is radioactive.
(And in another on of my Forrest Gump moments, I used to live only a couple miles from Floyd and I am pretty sure that I used to feed Mr. Brown on a regular basis when he would hold Young America events at The Tacoma Country and Golf Club where I was sous chef before moving east. Odd coincidences never end.)
In closing, let me ask the question - Does a guy like Floyd Brown deserve shot at media redemption when he obviously has no regrets (unlike the late Lee Atwater) regarding his disgraceful past?*
*[edited to clarify my point about whether respectable newspapers should run columns by people like Brown.] ¶ 9:44 PM
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"It should be pointed out that Starr never found anything about Whitewater or Foster, either, after several years and approximately $80 million."
It should also be pointed out that the $80 million that Starr spent was mostly not for Whitewater. In fact, the $80 million netted Starr felony convictions or guilty pleas against 12 people, including the sitting governor of Arkansas (Jim Guy Tucker) and the Associate Attorney General under Janet Reno (Webster Hubbell, who after resigning kept quiet and received 17 consulting contracts totaling over $450,000 from supporters of President Clinton for little or no work).
Further, the investigation of Bill Clinton related to Ms. Lewinsky cost less than $7 million, much of that expense was due to the President's strategy of stonewalling essentially everything, and that investigation netted the President's impeachment by the House, a Judge's contempt of court charge and $90,000 fine for false testimony, and the suspension of Clinton's law license.
It should also be pointed out that the $80 million that Starr spent was mostly not for Whitewater. In fact, the $80 million netted Starr felony convictions or guilty pleas against 12 people, including the sitting governor of Arkansas (Jim Guy Tucker) and the Associate Attorney General under Janet Reno (Webster Hubbell, who after resigning kept quiet and received 17 consulting contracts totaling over $450,000 from supporters of President Clinton for little or no work).
Further, the investigation of Bill Clinton related to Ms. Lewinsky cost less than $7 million, much of that expense was due to the President's strategy of stonewalling essentially everything, and that investigation netted the President's impeachment by the House, a Judge's contempt of court charge and $90,000 fine for false testimony, and the suspension of Clinton's law license.
Allow me to make sure that people understand that the Lewinsky matter, the contempt citation and the legal license issue had nothing to do with Starr, Whitewater etc.... They were all a result of the Paula Jones suit, which Clinton won, and then settled to avoid the appeal. It was only after Jones' attorneys handed Starr the Lewinsky material did the pantie sniffers in the House get to impeach a President, something they had been trying to do for years.
Also, it must be noted that the majority of the convictions secured by Starr were on matters completely unrelated to the President and the original charge given to him by the three judge panel. The Arkansas convictions were almost all reliant upon very dubious testimony by the disgraced and felonious municipal judge David Hale, who made all sorts of fantastical claims accusing many people of various things. In exchange, his sentence was greatly reduced. Most of those prosecuted by Starr have gone on the record saying that Starr's office offered them deals if they would simply testify against the President.
Starr also held Susan McDougal in jail for 3(?) years without conviction or bail because she refused to testify to his liking about Whitewater.
Had Patrick Fitzgerald seen his mission the same way that Ken Starr saw his, Dick Cheney would be in jail.
Also, it must be noted that the majority of the convictions secured by Starr were on matters completely unrelated to the President and the original charge given to him by the three judge panel. The Arkansas convictions were almost all reliant upon very dubious testimony by the disgraced and felonious municipal judge David Hale, who made all sorts of fantastical claims accusing many people of various things. In exchange, his sentence was greatly reduced. Most of those prosecuted by Starr have gone on the record saying that Starr's office offered them deals if they would simply testify against the President.
Starr also held Susan McDougal in jail for 3(?) years without conviction or bail because she refused to testify to his liking about Whitewater.
Had Patrick Fitzgerald seen his mission the same way that Ken Starr saw his, Dick Cheney would be in jail.
"It should be pointed out that Starr never found anything about Whitewater or Foster, either, after several years and approximately $80 million."
If the Clintons were innocent in regards to Whitewater and Foster (something I think we can agree on), then Starr's not finding anything on them is a good thing. The fact that Starr looked into many other issues, explaining that $80 million you try to tie to those two investigations, is also a good thing, and you do not seem to contest it; your $80 million failure claim remains specious.
"Starr also held Susan McDougal in jail for 3(?) years without conviction or bail because she refused to testify to his liking about Whitewater."
I'll grant you that Ms. McDougal has an innocent and plausible explanation for her behavior, but your sentence above is wrong or misleading in 4 ways: 1) it was 22 months; 2) contempt of court is decided by the judge, not by Starr or any other prosecutor; 3) contempt of court never requires "conviction or bail"; 4) it wasn't because "she refused to testify to [Starr's] liking", it was because she refused to answer the questions at all.
"Had Patrick Fitzgerald seen his mission the same way that Ken Starr saw his, Dick Cheney would be in jail."
What lies do you claim that Dick Cheney told under oath prior to Fitzgerald's investigation?
If the Clintons were innocent in regards to Whitewater and Foster (something I think we can agree on), then Starr's not finding anything on them is a good thing. The fact that Starr looked into many other issues, explaining that $80 million you try to tie to those two investigations, is also a good thing, and you do not seem to contest it; your $80 million failure claim remains specious.
"Starr also held Susan McDougal in jail for 3(?) years without conviction or bail because she refused to testify to his liking about Whitewater."
I'll grant you that Ms. McDougal has an innocent and plausible explanation for her behavior, but your sentence above is wrong or misleading in 4 ways: 1) it was 22 months; 2) contempt of court is decided by the judge, not by Starr or any other prosecutor; 3) contempt of court never requires "conviction or bail"; 4) it wasn't because "she refused to testify to [Starr's] liking", it was because she refused to answer the questions at all.
"Had Patrick Fitzgerald seen his mission the same way that Ken Starr saw his, Dick Cheney would be in jail."
What lies do you claim that Dick Cheney told under oath prior to Fitzgerald's investigation?
re: "What lies do you claim that Dick Cheney told under oath prior to Fitzgerald's investigation?"
That's easy:
"I, Richard Bruce Cheney, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
You can't get a much clearer example of lying under oath than that.
-Cap'n John
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That's easy:
"I, Richard Bruce Cheney, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."
You can't get a much clearer example of lying under oath than that.
-Cap'n John
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